Team competition thoughts

[MJShasko]

Would anyone be interested in a team approach challenge to a future maze (perhaps a series 2 revomaze)? You get paired up randomly as you recieved a revo ... you would fully collaborate through your own forum page with your partner. Figuring out opening times shouldn't be too hard to track/determine. It probalby have to be a 90+ difficulty puzzle.

...or is the revomaze experience a purely solo effort ??

[altarego]

I'm somewhat new to the Revo-craze. But I have a funny anecdote which may highlight a possible barrier to what would otherwise be a great idea.

I'm stuck on the Bronze, have been for weeks. Someone PM'd me and we seemed to be stuck in similar spots. Out of frustration, we exchanged maps - only to find that we were stuck in *exactly* the same place! Most amusing though, is that we mapped in complete 180 reflections of each other.

Point being that while these puzzles have a limited number of solution paths, our ability to envision and articulate that solution is unique.

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P.S. I'm still stuck in that exact area, just past the pool. I'm convinced I've broken something.

[maztec]

P.S. I'm still stuck in that exact area, just past the pool. I'm convinced I've broken something.

It is unlikely that anything is broken, you just need to think different.

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And I am going to say that while team efforts could be fun, they would also be extremely aggravating.

Now, what would be really interesting is if pairs of puzzles were made that required users to compare notes to solve either of them. For instance, the way through one reveals the path through another ... and the path to get through is sufficiently complex it is unlikely anyone would ever just guess it.

[ReVoMate]

You shouldn't be exchanging maps, let alone openly saying that you have been. It WILL get you kicked out of the competition.

ReVoMate

[altarego]

It has never been my intention to participate in the competition. I've stated this on the boards, to Chris, and to you in particular when applying for access to the forums.

The puzzles are fun enough for me, without ruining the spirit by resorting to draconian attempts to keep them 'supr sekret'. Please tell me where it is documented that we cannot exchange ideas if both parties agree.

I paid just as much for my puzzle as you did. I'm mildly chagrined enough to admit that I needed a bit of help; not that exchanging maps actually helped - which was exactly the point of my original reply.

I could see it being a pain if I was making my maps publicly available. However, I am not. Besides, how could you even realistically police something like this?

[ReVoMate]

I deal with a lot of people on these forums every day - I apologise for not remembering that you had stated that to me.

Anyway, I do my upmost to police as much as I can to keep this whole thing fair. I think a lot of people who had taken lots of hours and put in real hard work to earn their place in the Live Event, be very annoyed if they knew they were sitting next to someone who had asked for a map and got it.

I, myself, am not a part of the competition and Live Event as I have signed an NDA form with Chris, to be able to work on 'the other side' the ReVoMaze. Nor do I have to pay for my mazes, but that's another thing.

Rant over.

[cornettracing80]

a team effort?...wtf is that?...an admittion that you so suck at puzzles that you need a partner?....
it was clearly stated that there is a competition later.
and thats like telling someone what a movie is about before they see it...
the revomaze is a one player game ....
i am really sick of people taking advantage of Chris' unwillingness to be rude to anyone.
i do not understand why a question like this would be asked and i do not understand why revomate would bend like that...who gives a frak if you intend to attend the events or not...wtf...a team?...
unreal.....

of course my opinion means absolutely nothing and does not in anyway reflect the feelings of the revomaze company


go ahead...beat them open..team up...find every way in the universe to succesfully open the revomazes besides the intended way....i dont care.
i will be enjoying them the way Revomaster intended because that is whats the most fun.....run amuk...you spent your money,you can waste it i guess.
have a nice day

S.

[MJShasko]

I certainly respect your thoughts (sort of) but you missed the intent I put forward under "a team" approach and my 8 year old daugther wishes to know what "wtf" means?

I too very much enjoy the solo effort afforded the revomaze experience but pairs going at it head to head could be challenging as well.

I certainly don't agree with your rationale on the puzzles in general - I serious hope people aren't buying these puzzles because there is a competition. I'd like to think the company is in the business for the long haul. Finding a group that is passionate about something is deserving of our support beyond a competition.

Just because I suck at not being able to open silver doesn't mean I don't like the puzzles nor the challenge.

Only about 180 folks have opened one puzzle or another ... most of the blue. That's pretty good I think for the first year of operations. Mr. Pitt brings together a formidable set of talents to give us these puzzles.
There are a lot of puzzles out there and this company has tapped into a market based on quality and difficulty. But a business needs repeat customers and satisfied customers to remain sustainable. If the focus is only on the handful of customers (albeit extremely loyal customers) and this competition then one could argue the business model isn't too sound. But this company is and has continued to expand its products and interests which pleases me to no end.

Not everyone is going to be able to solve these puzzles. Maybe 1 out of 20 will make it past blue. It is these 19 others, however, that fuel the research. I can't image the magnitude the costs that go into developing a new product of this caliber and I really can't image the hit incurred on silver v2 so my thoughts were only directed at providing options to expand the interest....obviously misplaced.

Bottomline - these puzzles are a serious investment in time and money but the more folks that play and gain the satisfaction of opening a puzzle the better for everyone especially down the road as I'd love to see a series 2 and beyond.

[maztec]

I certainly respect your thoughts (sort of) but you missed the intent I put forward under "a team" approach and my 8 year old daugther wishes to know what "wtf" means?

I suspect your 8 year old daughter doesn't want to know What The Frak wtf means.

I too very much enjoy the solo effort afforded the revomaze experience but pairs going at it head to head could be challenging as well.

Could be interesting depending on the design of the puzzles. Would lend itself ot making an absolutely insane challenge.

I certainly don't agree with your rationale on the puzzles in general - I serious hope people aren't buying these puzzles because there is a competition. I'd like to think the company is in the business for the long haul. Finding a group that is passionate about something is deserving of our support beyond a competition.

Many people are buying these because they are puzzles. However, there are also a lot of people buying in due to the competition. In turn, that leads to a higher grade of secrecy and resistance to alternative ideas.

Just because I suck at not being able to open silver doesn't mean I don't like the puzzles nor the challenge.

Everyone sucks at opening the silver until they open it.

Only about 180 folks have opened one puzzle or another ... most of the blue. That's pretty good I think for the first year of operations. Mr. Pitt brings together a formidable set of talents to give us these puzzles.

180 who have registered. I really wish Chris would tell us how many puzzles he has sold of each.

There are a lot of puzzles out there and this company has tapped into a market based on quality and difficulty. But a business needs repeat customers and satisfied customers to remain sustainable. If the focus is only on the handful of customers (albeit extremely loyal customers) and this competition then one could argue the business model isn't too sound. But this company is and has continued to expand its products and interests which pleases me to no end.

Competition is coming up. Surely there will be other things in the future. Think of the competition as a promotional exercise.

Not everyone is going to be able to solve these puzzles. Maybe 1 out of 20 will make it past blue. It is these 19 others, however, that fuel the research. I can't image the magnitude the costs that go into developing a new product of this caliber and I really can't image the hit incurred on silver v2 so my thoughts were only directed at providing options to expand the interest....obviously misplaced.

Yup.

Bottomline - these puzzles are a serious investment in time and money but the more folks that play and gain the satisfaction of opening a puzzle the better for everyone especially down the road as I'd love to see a series 2 and beyond.

Yup. And I can't wait until I forget how to open them, and get to open them all over again in the years to come!

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Nevertheless, cornett can be quite loud and ... aggressive in his language. Don't take it personally, he just gets worked up sometimes. I think it has something to do with the fact that he's known for having opened several of the hardest puzzles in the world - first.

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I think a team effort would be interesting, but as I said earlier would need to reflect the design of the puzzle.

[MJShasko]

Maztec - "180 who have registered. I really wish Chris would tell us how many puzzles he has sold of each."

... prehaps over a beer but not in an open forum...secrets of the business trade best not be public.

thanks for your follow-up.

-Mike